Monday, May 17, 2010

Is Aikido really unbeatable?

There is no such thing as an unbeatable martial art. Each art is only as good as what the student is capable of. If there was one art that was unbeatable everyone would study that art.


I keep seeing these questions about which art is better than that one. What no one ever mentions is this. In any fight a lot can depend on luck. No matter how well you are trained if you don%26#039;t see the attack coming you can be in serious trouble before you know it. We all have good days and bad days. No one is capable of their best all the time.|||No, aikido is far from unbeatable. Why? Because it is unrealistic. Aikido uses cooperating partners to practice their techniques. The partner throws his single punch in the predetermined place with no follow-up, leaves his arm out to grabbed, allows his arm to be locked without resisting, and then gets thrown and falls in the predetermined, choreographed way. They generally don%26#039;t spar or test their skills in competition (yes, I realize there may be a few exceptions out there, but generally speaking this is true...). I have sparred with people from aikido backgrounds who have tried their techniques on me and they did not work. Moreover, I have never seen an aikido throw or lock used in a mixed martial arts competition (aside from those techniques that aikido shares with judo or jujitsu).


Until someone with an aikido background wins a single mma match (or even manages to throw a single opponent in the effortless fashion seen in aikido demonstrations) I will remain a skeptic.|||Aikido is a complete system.





In my humble opinion, both Japanese Jiu-Jitsu (which includes Aikido) and Chinese Kung Fu are unbeatable.





Aiki-do and Ju-do are both watered down versions of a more formidable system, which is Aiki-Jitsu.





Japanese Aiki-Jitsu, when properly practiced, is unbeatable. Aiki-jitsu (like kung fu) includes: weapons, multiple attack defenses, offensive tactics, punches, kicks, finger techniques, and all joint locks to arms and legs. And it takes years and years of dedicated practice to learn well.





Today in 2008 modern Japanese Jiu-Jitsu includes an automatic pistol in its repetoire of weapons training along with some traditional weapons.





A fifth degree black belt in Japanese Aiki-Jitsu would not hesitate to pull out a .45 automatic and shoot you dead in a real street fight situation just as he would not hesitate to snap your arm or neck.





So is Aikido unbeatable? Only if you practice it as Aikijitsu!|||Technically? Yes. Why? Because from what I understand of the art(and I%26#039;ve studied it for far more than 2 weeks), it%26#039;s all about avoiding conflict and overcoming obstacles without resorting to violence. So how can you beat me if I don%26#039;t fight you? : P But if you meant is it unstoppable in a straight up confrontational fight, then no, as a matter of fact it is guaranteed to lose in a head on fight, precisely because it was never meant for fighting, but merely for surviving an unprovoked attack. A successful application of an Aikido technique merely guarantees that if the practitioner follows the principles of Aikido, he is able to stay alive and escape safely before or after an attack, it does not guarantee that your attacker will be maimed or killed. This however is a concept that is foreign to most of today%26#039;s generation who grew up watching violent kung fu m0vies and aggressive mma matches on TV. The idea that the martial arts is all about beating the crap out of the other guys is more easily acceptable to them than the more pacifist philosophy of Aikido.|||TWO THUMBS UP!! For the Prince. Very well said so that even an ignorant teenager can understand. The gentleman gave you an honest answer to what is widely considered the most common question in this forum. %26quot;Which art is the best%26quot;? Yada, yada.To say he%26#039;s %26quot;full of it%26quot; shows your true level of ignorance. Have some appreciation and learn some respect.|||The outlying question would be. Is Aikido an untimate martial arts ? The answer is No !





I am about to dispensed the most unpopular answer for this question, but somehow I feel the need to express the reality of the facts.





The most common answers given are usually those who are currently taking the art. While I applaud of the fact that they are loyal and dedicated to their perspective art. Self-endorsement from a group of underage teens with 2 weeks training does not qualify as the yardstick to determine which martial arts is the ultimate.





With so many variant of fighting art styles from around the world, its difficult to determine who hold the distinction of being the best or the most %26quot;lethal%26quot; form of martial arts. Many can say %26quot;BJJ%26quot;, but BJJ can be beaten by Kenjutsu-ka ( practitioner of the Japanese Swordmanship). But practitioners of Kenjutsu can easily be beaten by Kyudoka ( Practitioners of the Japanese Archery). This argument will and can go on and on and on with no ends in sight.





While there%26#039;s no doubt that many forms of modern martial arts have proven themselves in the combative sports arena, it cannot however defined itself as the ultimate forms of %26quot;self-defense%26quot; or %26quot;martial arts%26quot;. I have been training for a very long time and along with many respectable long time practiotioners in this forum, We can%26#039;t even determine which arts is considered the %26quot;ultimate%26quot; we don%26#039;t go around claiming that our style is the %26quot;ultimate%26quot;.





So what it really boils down to is that there is no such thing as the %26quot;ultimate%26quot; martial arts. If they truly exist, then many of us would not be wasting our time training in our respective %26quot;inferior%26quot; martial arts.





My greatest advice to you is, instead of wasting your precious time on the internet looking and chasing after that ultimate %26quot;mythical%26quot; art. Do something productive for youself and join any art or several arts and achieved whatever it is that you desire. There may not be an ultimate martial arts, but one can be an ultimate athlete !





Let the thumb%26#039;s down flood commence ! ~laugh~





EDIT:





I thank you all for the kind words. As I mentioned earlier in my answer that my answer would caused nothing but disgust and denial.





To the poster of this question:





Please accept my apology for not giving the answer you seek. I do owe it to you to express what I feel is ultimately what many before me have said over and over again. The truth can be ugly !





I%26#039;ll leave with a quote from Bertand Rusell:





What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious.





If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way.





EDIT #2 NOTE to BUSHIDO:





I think that your current statement is directed towards me. I do appreciate and respect your comment. Friends or foes alike, everyone is entitled to their honest opinions. I find values in negative criticism from others as It allows me to look things at different perspective.





All my statements are maybe perhaps tough to swallow or even hard to grasp. But regardless, It is an opinion nonetheless.





Again, Thank you for the insight and godspeed !





And for the record: I did not give you nor whoflungdung thumbs down.|||Prince Loeffler probably has the best answer on here, not to say that the others are wrong. The answer, as everyone on here has said, is no. He is far from %26quot;full of it%26quot;. You wanted an answer, he gave you one, you don%26#039;t like it, so he%26#039;s full of it? You have plenty of great answers to your question. Believe them.|||No.





It%26#039;s a good style...but:


-it%26#039;s an incomplete system. The founder didn%26#039;t teach his students everything he knew


-most dojo don%26#039;t train hard or with good technique


-the strikes are not realistic, however this can be dealt with easily enough


-techniques against kicks aren%26#039;t usually done due to the danger of breaking someone%26#039;s knee/ankle|||the prince gave the best answer, no art is unbeatable, if there was why would people practice other martial arts? people wouldn%26#039;t devote so much time in to martial arts if the one they do is %26quot;inferior%26quot; to other martial arts.|||My vote goes with the Prince.





And I agree, we are always being asked this retarded question. I am getting sick of it too. We need to post links to old answers , especially one with a lot of %26quot;stop asking such a stupid question%26quot; comments mixed in..haha. Otherwise it will never stop...|||No art is unbeatable. Just like no fighter is invincible.


Just like no two days are the same and no two people are the same.


The old masters advised their student to be adaptable after knowing their style inside out.|||no way alot of MAs are better it is alright but not unbeatable jeet kune do is defently unbeatable but it is not taught anymore.|||No, people are unbeatable, styles are not.|||Every martial art has its flaws. Thats why so many martial artists study 3, 4 or 5 different types so you can cover all aspects of fighting!|||I think there%26#039;s no martial art that completely %26quot;unbeatable%26quot;.|||Yes, that%26#039;s why all the current and former full contact champions have a background in Aikido.





Wait a minute ..........|||nothing is trully unbeatable.|||no. i have beaten it with hapkito.|||Martial Arts no martial arts system is unbeatable.aikido is good to learn and intergrate into your own style but it is a far cry from being unbeatable.in my opinion there are much better styles.





EDIT%26gt;while i applaud the fact that a certain answerer here gives well thought out answers and puts in a lot of effort the fact still remains they are absolute BS%26gt;

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