Friday, May 21, 2010

Which martial art would be more useful on a street fight? Aikido or Kick-Boxing (Muay Thai)?

I do Aikido and I%26#039;m not too sure if joining Muay Thai would be cool. Since Muay Thai is bent on destruction, killing, and a whole lot of damage. Yet, Aikido is for Peace. So..where to go? Aikido for peaecful %26quot;cop like%26quot; restraint techniques or Muay Thai Elbow-Knee action?|||If the guy has a gun he probably won%26#039;t care. When you take your first class you should learn that street fighting is stupid and dangerous. People learn at different paces tho so keep taking that first class as many times as you need to learn this.|||Define %26quot;street fight%26quot;. If you mean getting mugged in the streets and having to defend yourself, then either one or any of the other martial art styles will do as long as you trained for situations with a certain degree of practicality. But if you mean a one on one duel in the streets to see who%26#039;s the toughest, then you can forget about using Aikido, since it%26#039;s a purely self defense art, so it wouldn%26#039;t be of any use in that situation. Muay Thai is more appropriate for that one on one type of fight.|||Depends on how you train Aikido and whether it%26#039;s being trained for self defense in at all. Frankly, I%26#039;ve trained with Tomiki Aikidoka, one who had attained his first black belt in the art. And after his years in the art, he was very smooth, lithe even with his techniques......when he applied them against a horribly inadequate offensive technique, such as what I can only call an %26quot;overhand judo chop%26quot;. That%26#039;s how they trained. Austin Powers-esque %26quot;Judo chops%26quot;, slow karate style from-the-hip punches, toe push kicks, etc. When I lunged in with a solid, 100% speed punch, he spent the whole time retreating. He caught me one time in an entire 15 minute session, and when he grabbed my wrist, I rolled my hand over, a la small circle, and broke the lock as he began a kote gaeshi, tenkan side, throw. It left him wide open for attack.





Now, this is not to say all Aikido is worthless, but considering I had not even trained in Muay Thai at the time and my fighting skills primarily came from my boxing, Shotokan karate, and small amounts of Judo and Jujutsu understanding, I%26#039;d say the black belt in Tomiki Aikido failed against a white belt in Shotokan. So I am a bit biased against Aikido myself. After about 5 months, though, while he and I trained with Kodokan Judoka, a couple of freestyle and Goju karateka, and another boxing instructor, all of us were beginning to incorporate our own parent styles into a more complete understanding of what worked and what didn%26#039;t and how to use it outside of our sheltered training regimens of old.





Now, that said, everything I learned at that point was blown away when I began in Muay Thai. Only the Judo was useful when I began MMA training soon after taking up Muay Thai. For striking, Muay Thai is one of, if not the most efficient form of striking art. Add solid boxing to it and those are the core principles of striking that one can attain. My opinion, and I know it diverges with many traditionalists, but I%26#039;m talking efficiency here, in today%26#039;s world. Not in Okinawa circa 1550, or in China circa 1300, but today, circa 2007. Okinawan arts are great, but some of the movements and stances are too inefficient, too open to attack. Chinese arts are beautiful and rich in history, but again many of the punching styles are weak, the acrobatics unneeded and, thusly, very inefficient for today%26#039;s combat where everyone and their dog is getting a better understanding of the human anatomy through MMA training and CSI reruns.





Now, that is not to say that Muay Thai is the penultimate. Nor is MMA. Combat evolves every, single day. Tomorrow someone might develop something even more efficient, faster, stronger, or a variation that incorporates a different angle, or etc., but that hasn%26#039;t happened yet. So until it does, I%26#039;d go with Muay Thai anyday.|||what style of Aikido do you take. not all of them are practical


I studied the Tomiki style and it is very practical and I studied Shinbu style it is a whole lot better then the Tomiki style you can also take Yoshinkan Aikido it is alot like Tomiki and Shinbu style combined.|||The guy that said Aikido is dumb doesn%26#039;t know what he%26#039;s talking about. Even though peace is what they ultimately teach; Aikido can be devastating. It also includes weapons training and how to disarm. They show you how to break bones; especially spiral breaks which can take months to heal. I can%26#039;t understand how those that have no clue spout their claims about something they obviously know nothing about.





As with all martial arts, there are both negative and positive things about Aikido. So, research on your own and train with what you think will be right for you.|||in a %26#039;street fight%26#039; ANYTHING goes.


The combination of Aikido and Muay Thai COULD be devastating.





I%26#039;ve always gone with this creed so to speak.





If you can talk it out, talk.


If you can run, run fast.


If there are no other options, beat a memory into them so when they see that scar, they%26#039;ll remember your name.





MOST people anymore prefer the modern arts of %26quot;GunDo and Shot GunFu%26quot;|||i think aikido and muay thai is good, but iakido can control your emotion,with control emotion you can control your enemy and you maybe can win. that my answer,but is up to you|||id say both





muay thai would be good to train in tho i did hap kido that has a lot similar to akido and i didnt like all the injuries from people using too much force to restrain me etc|||OK, I%26#039;m going to talk about Aikido. Aikido is one of the best martial arts ever created. It doesn%26#039;t use unnecessary physical strength like other martial arts. Aikido uses ki, internal energy, and that surpasses physical strength infinitely. That%26#039;s why Aikido is made up of 3 words, ai, ki, and do. Ai= harmony, ki= internal energy or spirit, and do=path. That basically means %26quot;the way of harmonious spirit%26quot;. Aikido uses techniques that makes the opponent(s) lose their balance and use their strength/momentum against them, which is very good in combat. Aikido also helps with flexibility by doing the Aikido excercises. This art also helps with health, by using the techinque of misogi, breathing with the hara, the foundation of ki. That is what makes Aikido so good. You could combine it with Muay Thai if you wish, because soft and hard martial arts make the best combination. An example of that is Karate and Tai Chi. But if that can%26#039;t fit your schedule, I recommend practicing Aikido. Aikido might be the %26quot;PEACE%26quot; art, and that is the thing you want to strive for. But Aikido can be very devastating, because it includes defense against weapons and disarming the opponent. Hope I helped and good luck on your path on martial arts!





Remember, self-defense is a last resort, use it if you REALLY need it. That%26#039;s when people start attacking you. I thought this was a very interesting question. Thanks for letting me push out all my knowledge for Aikido. :]|||One is the defense aspect





The other





Offensive





both different techniques for obtaining the same effect





both work just as well when done correctly at a high level





also thing about whether its to disable or kill, of which u want to acheive|||I just LOVE your question!!! %26#039;Cuz it soooo applies to me and I can relate to it. I took aikido for two years and now I just started muay thai for a month. Having seen muay thai, I am giving serious thoughts about going back to aikido after doing muay thai for an year or so. The difference between the two is same as comparison between apples and oranges or rather banana but reason why I am so inclined in going back and finishing it of is because of aikido%26#039;s long heritage, tradition and philosophy. Most importantly aikido can give you a confidence which other martial arts can%26#039;t. I am probably the weakest guy in my muay thai class and that makes me feel like sh^t, yet when I was doing aikido I knew it%26#039;s not about SIZE and STRENGTH rather TECHNIQUE which will determine the best man on the feet. Yet muay thai being all about POWER can only give you consolation that even if you are good, and really good you will do certain well at street fights with certain people. Note not with ANY people which aikido used to give. Interestingly enuff one can go to an aikido class with a big ego and come out with humility while go to muay thai class with humility and come out with a coksure ego. And also one must remember aikido was truly created for self-defense (check out my other question) whereas muay thai is geared towards ring fights. At the end of the day, although one can get majestic self-cleansing with aikido, I%26#039;d say one needs both to complete the complement of yin and yang.|||Well, If you want to take any of the Arts on the street i wouldn%26#039;t recommend it it%26#039;s a disgrace to your instructor and you fellow classmates. Unless your using the self-defense tactics then try Submission fighting or maybe Tae- Kwon -Do to learn some Discipline %26amp; self- defense. xx





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If you have someone out to hurt you %26quot;Peace%26quot; is the last thing you should be thinking. We all would love to live in a world where we could all hug each other and trust everyone. But going into a conflict thinking peace and harmony when someone wants to beat you down is dumb.





Learning Muay Thai does not mean killing them. it may mean hammering their thigh till they can%26#039;t walk. Or knocking them on their butt hard.





Those peaceful little wrist lock throws will get your butt kicked.





I am not trying to dog Aikido but go to your local high school wrestling club and give it a try you will be on your back squirming fast.|||Wrestling is key.... Because it is defencive





You want to be able to counter his strength if he gets on top of you... Many street fights end up on the ground so I would know the ins and outs of the grappling trade.





Also, be in shape!!!.. Most thugs are not in shape so after 2 minutes of going at it they usually run out of gas....And you should just be getting warmed up..





Muay Thai would be your opponents worst nightmare at this point in the fight..





Street fighting is dangerous because of the unknown factor...Anything could happen...even death.





Fighting is a last resort..|||Aikido would be MUCH better! Calm, cool and collected and letting his opponent take himself out. Muay Thai? no offense but keep the egos in the ring where it belongs. Sorry, but these gay comments about Aikido is only self defense for Karate/Judo chops is rediculas and coming only from a sportists view.





So I disagree only with the mid answers. I agree with all the Aikido students on here.





Remember - softness overcomes hardness.....





If anyone really knows anything at all about Aikido instead of badmouthing all REAL Martial arts, they would know the reasons why it is so effective.





I%26#039;m positive if any Aikido Master wasn%26#039;t teaching his students and was doing the moves for real that they would be MUCH more effective.





Don%26#039;t people understand that you need to go over moves slowly and they build them up?





Shall we go work out with someone and break their arm because that%26#039;s what we were really wanting to do?





%26quot;be water my friend%26quot; - Bruce Lee





Same token, I train some with MT.. Kicking and elbows and they are devistating.





Walk in with an attitude and I put money on any real fight - your neck is sliced or your head gets blown off..





That%26#039;s what happens to sportists on the street.

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