Monday, November 16, 2009

Aikido practitioners out there only please-?

I%26#039;m curious about Aikido- I understand that is completely void of striking. However- with Aikido principles- have you used them in a streetfight?? (The redirection and submission) Did you find it effective in a real life situation? Just wondering... And before anyone posts something about Aikido sucking, etc (seen it before) please move along.





I am interested in the redirectional applications to accent what I already know. Please let me know if Aikido%26#039;s method has been found effective for you. Thanks!!|||by the book aikido does not encompass any strikes except for atemi (fainted strikes) which are normally meant just to distract the opponent. HOWEVER once one gets beyond the pure techniques you soon get to realise that theres just an much place for strikes and kicks within aikido as you yourself allow. The great thing with aikido is that you can get about as creative with it as you like. That does not mean that the techniques in aikido are not effective. O sensei taught that the purpose of aikido is to cause as little violence or force as you can, but if properly applied the techniques can do some very brutal damage (break bones, dislocate members, render people invalid or even kill) Have I used in my life: yes Twice I have resorted to my knowledge to defuse a situation with little ill effect. Just by letting a opponent feel some pressure you can usually get the message across. Once I have been in a tight spot that made me resort to using force. I%26#039;m oly gonna tell you that the end result was not pretty and sent two guys to hospital. Aikido can be a very effective art if you know what you are doing.|||I%26#039;m not an aikido practitioner, but i%26#039;ve seen it quite often. in my opinion, Aikido is an art to defend yourself, not to harm others. maybe that%26#039;s why they dont teach you to strike.


Honestly the only time i saw aikido being used in a street fighting situation was on steven seagal%26#039;s movie..haha...but if you really devoted yourself to learn it, it will train your mind to be ready for everything, which i think is the most important in defending yourself in any situation. Unless you are aiming to be an UFC champion, then Aikido is good to train your mind and body.|||I%26#039;v done Aikido and i can%26#039;t see myself using much of it in a fight


Most of the moves rely on your oponent putting all their weight into you but if they punch normaly you finished





Aikido is only good to do with another martial art but by itse;f it is just too limited to its philosophy of the person puttin all their weight into you which just happons very rarely in fights, if you want to win a fight you got to attack not just stand there and wait for your punishment, very bad philosophy|||I had two classmates who were forced to use what little they learned in the dojo out in the streets on two separate incidents. The first one, a yellow belt, tried to apply an awkwardly performed ikkyo(the first basic technique one learns in class) on a 200 lbs mugger who tried to stab him and ended up dislocating the mugger%26#039;s elbow and smashing him face first into a concrete wall, although my classmate did say afterwards that it was more luck than skill, it helped that my classmate was 6 foot tall and weighed just about the same. The other classmate, a brown belt, got caught in the middle of a drunken street rumble and ended up dislocating a pipe wielding attacker%26#039;s shoulder when he suddenly dropped to his knees while in the middle of applying a nikkyo lock on the other guy%26#039;s weapon arm, his pants got torn in the knee area from the force of his drop, needless to say the pipe wielder%26#039;s scream could be heard 2 blocks away. He dropped out of our class the next week for fear of facing our sensei who specifically told us never to get into a fight or use any of the techniques he taught us when under the influence of alcohol.





Against a full momentum attack, Aikido techniques can be effective. Against tentative attacks like a boxer%26#039;s jab for example, Aikido techniques are useless since they require a committed attack for the techniques to work effectively. This was the founder%26#039;s intent, that his art be used merely to defend against unprovoked attacks, not for one on one face off matches to determine who%26#039;s top dog. If you can walk away from a fight, then that in itself is considered an Aikido technique.|||akido sucks


be a man take a real martial art|||lol aikido is not void of striking.. we strike.. (i have gotten my knuckles swollen bloody and skinless practicing strikes in class)i mean my class we work heavy bags and makiwara and pads... it just for some reason alot of modern practitioners get up in being just like O-sensei and dont realize they will never be him or anyone els other than themselves... so alot of the time the dont make technique their own... i mean Osensei punched people all the time.. he stopped when he got older but he also could dodge bullets (so the storys go) by that point in his career.... anyway so yea we strike... and no i haven%26#039;t used it in street fighting... but i have never been in a street fight... i have been in friendly fights (lol like fight club fights i suppose) and non complaint training and it has worked for those.... and i have twisted peoples wrist for pushin me or sumthing... but again never in like a fight or anything ( i just havent been in a fight...ll i have no clue how that happened..... dont worry though.. ill get in a fight eventually..) but yeah in real life yeah.. ex: me and a bunch of friends are running around beatin each other up in the back yard and one tried to kick me an i directed it out of the way entered, punched him and cut across his knee and he rolled over and fell on his face... everyone stopped.... and laughed at him it was sooo funny.... but yeah it has helped... but we do aikibudo bu meaning martial... but the bu is cas we do a physical aikido and also a art headed by the founder of aikido%26#039;s nephew called shinwataido... witch has a few techniques aikido doesnt have... (mainly kick defences) and it also does a few diffrently.. so we chose witch way we like the most and pratice that.. like aikidos ikkyo instead of taidos ikajo (they are the arts equevalents of eachother) or taidos yonkajo instead of aikidos yonkyo... we also do a bit of ground fighting and karate type strikes and kyusojitsu (pressurepoints) so its not stricktly aikido/shinwa taido but the most of it is.... but ne ways again... WE STRIKE!!! and it doesnt suck.. people today are just devoid of thought (they watch to much tv) and we cross train so people shoulding bring that crap up either|||Hi, I studied hapkido, as you know it is a mix of Aikido + Tae kwon do + other show useless stuff.





I do know well which techniques belonged to Aikido, and those were the most interesting ones. Some of the movements were really cool, as you can do some kind of combo looking movement that will K.O. your enemy for instance.





Hapkido uses lots of strking, and I don%26#039;t like that because once you stop practicing, you can%26#039;t perform more kicks for example since those need daily stretching.





Aikido does have a lot fo techniques for self-defense, I mean a lot. Sadly I can%26#039;t remember them. THe other day a friend who studies muay thai told me he could hold my brist and I would never be able to set loose. I remember there were about 15 or more aikido moves to set lose, but I tried one, didn%26#039;t work, and I tried another one and it did, but the other 10+ I can%26#039;t remember.





There were so many movements for so many different situations, I remember for instance, for one case there were about 5 basic set loose movements, 5 intermediate, and 5 advanced. So if you put them all together that makes at least 100+ different possibilities. Of course, you don%26#039;t have time to practice every movement often, so at the end that makes 100+ forgotten moves, for me, so it was a waste. Also because Aikido and Hapkido practices, lack realism.





Now I am practicing Judo which has for example 20+ throws, thats of course easier to remember, plus practice in judo is very real and there is competition. I can easily see how 10 aikido defense techniques can be resumed in 1 judo throw, in terms of same situation, position, etc. And that according to me, its much better to remember it in the long run, fewer techniques = more repetition = becomes natural.





Don%26#039;t mean to bash Aikido, but that%26#039;s just my experience.|||Aikido is not completely devoid of strikes, especially Yoshinkan, which often uses strikes to the face as distractions more than for damage.





I have found that more than just redirecting forces, the actual movement and positioning of your body in order to make the techniques effective to be the most interesting and difficult parts of Aikido. A simple body or foot movement can simply move you out of the way and eliminate the need to redirect the main force of the attack, or it can intercept the attack before it completely emerges, or it can intercept the opponent while in transition from one attack to another. I have found that the body movement is more effective than what most people would think, that Aikido is just intercepting and redirecting an attack.|||There are lots of strikes in Aikido. O-Sensei said a working technique is 75% atemi.

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