Monday, November 16, 2009

Why are not kenpo and aikido been successful in MMA?

Are not effective martial arts?|||Chuck Liddell uses Kenpo along with other martial arts.


I also know couple of MMA fighters that uses Aikido. But I%26#039;ve never really seen fighters enter tournaments by only using one discipline. Except for fighters like Royce Gracie(however, he did practice a little kick boxing before entering tournaments like UFC and PRIDE.|||Some have adapted some Karate arts into MMA such as Chuck Liddell and Georges St Pierre however they are not at all the pure art.....not even close. Chuck doesn%26#039;t really use it at all aside from kicks.





The problem with those %26quot;traditional%26quot; arts is they are fluid form arts. BJJ, Muay Thai, boxing and ground and pound wrestling training is realistic for a real fight. Sparring in Karate can be great when you%26#039;re sparring another Karate student.....big difference when a Muay Thai boxer puts you in a clinch and knees you in the face, Karate doesn%26#039;t teach you what to do then.





That%26#039;s basically why.....they are great for a lot of people but not terribly effective for true MMA fighting.|||Aikido isn%26#039;t really a fighting style..I have a third dan black belt in Aikido. It isn%26#039;t geared around competition anyway, it%26#039;s to soft. The point of Aikido is to fight without hurting your opponent.





We do not spar with %26quot;non-resisting%26quot; opponents..quite the opposite, but the point of our training is not to %26quot;win a fight%26quot;. It%26#039;s to survive with out damaging the attacker.





Kempo is a quick and brutal martial art, but it is not varied enough by itself to work in the ring. You need to be more versatile. Something with a little more grappling is best for that style of fighting. That%26#039;s why jiujistu works so well.|||because muay thai and jiu jitsu are more effective|||Just curious. Because it may not be prominant or even effective in MMA, does that mean it is an ineffective martial art? Not sure how often in a combat or street situation you%26#039;d hover over someone while wrapped in their legs punching whatever you happen to hit. Those dudes are tough, no doubt but probably the exception when it comes to fighting, not the norm.|||yea chuck liddell was on top of the lightheavy weight ufc scene for a while and his main style is kempo. aikido just the principle of %26quot;true%26quot; aikido means it wouldnt be in mma tournaments they learn to only attack when being attack and redirecting that momentum. its a purely defensive style|||Those who train in Aikido spar with non-resisting opponents. In an MMA match, both opponents are expected to fight unpredictably. This is when Aikido could screw the fighter up. Plus, Aikido%26#039;s main moves are meant to defend against group attacks and could seriously hurt the other person. At least in martial arts such as BJJ, submissions can be stopped before they do more permament harm or even death.|||kempo doesnt have the ground fighting aspect that they love in mma which comes into play thanks to jiu jitsu which is a staple in mma. aikido is pure defense and isnt aggressive its all about countering your opponesnts movements and evading their attacks and thats why its not effective for mma.|||They are effective, but they only cover certain ranges. If you do MMA, you have to cover every range, or you can%26#039;t be expected to do well.





Kenpo is striking (It%26#039;s good for that though: Chuck Liddell does Hawaiian Kenpo, and it%26#039;s in all of his strikes: Hand and foot). if all you know is kenpo, then you better hope you know sprawling, and good takedown defense. If you don%26#039;t, your only hope is to hit them hard and dodge enough that they get knocked out. Not that you can%26#039;t be succesful only using strikes, but getting pinned on the ground without any idea what to do is a bad place to be in MMA.





Aikido is almost strictly throwing. The same thing applies with that. One fighting range really isn%26#039;t enough.





These arts are also defense-based. In the street, you can get by with ability in either offense or defense to win (Or escape harm), but in MMA: Most get by with having both, or a great deal of offense, combined with just enough defense.





So it%26#039;s not a matter of effectiveness (Practicality is NOT objective either anyway), but what your goal is.|||uh chuck liddell uses kempo and he is very effective. ever think of that?|||Those are both effective forms of martial arts, however they both lack serious grappling iand wrestling techniques!!|||why are not you good at grammar|||not effective

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