Is there a way to fight against people who use karate and aikido?

Umm has Steven Seagal been bullying you around or something?





Seriously first and foremost, you would have to be trained. The simple answer is If you aren%26#039;t trained in something then there is no way for you to fight against a trained person and win unless you plan on hitting them in the back of the head with a brick when they aren%26#039;t looking.





Now if you are asking for specific arts or strategies, there can be some. But it is based more on the fighter than the style.





People are naturally better at some things, I have known guys who naturally defended takedowns well with no prior training. I have known guys who with YEARS of training are horrible against defending takedowns. (Anderson Silva one of the top fighters in the world sucks against takedowns, despite constantly trying to improve that aspect of his game).





There is no cookie cutter strategy, because fighters are different no matter what style they take.





Another huge factor is that different places teach different. Aikido schools that spar (like Tomiki) are going to give you fits if you try to grapple them, because they have practical grappling experience.





If you are a grappler you can tell when someone else knows grappling before even having to engage them in that range. I can tell by how someone is standing, how they move, what their reactions are if I change levels as a feint. It allows me to see what strategy to actually use.





There are tons of Karateka who do actually do training in grappling...





However, again I would caution Karateka who are willing to take it to the mat or their grappling training if they don%26#039;t spend serious time actually sparring on the mat. It%26#039;s one thing to show armbars and escapes from mounts, it%26#039;s another to actually get down and roll with some frequency,.there are nuances to balances, leverages and positions on the mat that only time spent randoring will allow you to acquire. The same goes with takedown defense, I can show sprawls, clinches and knees all day. But unless you have someone good at shooting try to take you down (i.e. a wrestler) you are going to be woefully unprepared when someone with a real fast shot is in and under you.





Again there are strategies against any fighter... you go against his weakness. The downside is you have to actually be strong where he is weak or well rounded enough to take advantage.





Against average Aikidoka, measured technical striking based of angles and lower body takedowns and work on the mat would do well. However again if an Tomiki or other active randoring style Aikidoka you would be in a world of hurt unless you are a seriously competent grappler. You would have to rely on strikes that keep you in balance, and hope they aren%26#039;t naturally good strikers.





Against average Karateka, highly mobile attacking, off angled takedowns that are set up with hand combinations, and against work on the ground. Against a practitioner whose school spars hard and cross trains you might find yourself on the recieving end of the very same strategy. They generally linear fighters and you have to use angles and circular strategies, and hope that they don%26#039;t naturally adapt to that well. Solid grappling and the ability to close the distance are needed, but again if that person has a natural feel for leverage, you could be in trouble.





There are no general rules against styles, understanding them helps to develop strategies but most of all understanding fighter tendency over styles helps you actually beat someone. Just because someone is a Karateka or Aikidoka doesn%26#039;t mean they aren%26#039;t naturally talented in other areas.





I have known life long grapplers who had amazing natural striking (Fedor, Dan Henderson).





I have known life long strikers who had natural takedown defense, and natural feel for leverage.





No hard and fast rule against styles, just against people.|||well if they truly trained in karate or aikido and are very good at it, then it is very easy to fight them. you just walk away.


any body that seriously trained in karate and aikido will not attack you first. and will not fight you with out a good reason. they are taught to walk away from such situations.


if attack them will then you get what you deserve.











edit:%26gt; and you should know karate does include ground fighting. it all depends on how good there teacher is. i teach grappling in my school it is part of karate.|||One must ask why you feel the need to be engaged in active physical conflict with any others regardless of whatever style they may practice?





Unless you attack an aikidoka, he or she will not attack you.





Most well instructed practitioners of karate will not engage in a physical confrontation if the same is possible to avoid.





Both are ways that lead to peace and personal growth.





may it be well with you.|||i%26#039;ll honestly tell you from my experience as an mma practitioner that i have yet to see a good karate fighter take on someone off the streets and actually be the dominant fighter, aikido is more complex then karate and like the guy on here said too, they do know some grappling submissions and throws/takedowns so you would just have to learn some basics to ground fighting and i would say you would be okay, now if your fighting an mma fighter, you gotta learn mma, to beat mma, but other then that if your familiar with fighting at all then go for it, if not, dont get invovled which is true about any martial arts, its not about knowing how to beat someone up, everyone who trains knows better then to go looking for a fight, its about not having to fight and avoiding confrontation at all cost but also knowing it and what to do if the situation should arrise, hope this helped....|||IF you could take him to the ground and keep him there you would do better. This is assuming that he is going to let you get him down. A good Karate-ka won%26#039;t let this happen, I wouldn%26#039;t. Aikido is a different matter. They can turn your offense against you and end the fight with a hold or a lock.


A true Karate-ka or Aikido student would not fight except in need of self defense.|||LMAO at all of the stupid answers. Not all but most.





Tx- I doubt very much if you%26#039;ve seen any true karat people fight on the street. this goes against the mainteaching phylosiphy of most good schools.





Brian W- And you think someone will stand still and not hit back while you do what you said? Please the street is not a MMA match. Also be aware that Okinawan karate has a lot of stand up grappling in it, and a good karate-ka can bevery difficult to take down. Don%26#039;t care if you believe it or not, your choice to be ignorent.





As for the question, are you talking a fight in the street or one in the ring? If it%26#039;s in the ring I would say it depends entirely on the fighter an his style of karate. On the street if you don%26#039;t force them too yo should%26#039; hav to worry about it.|||yeah ok aikido stinks they cant do much and karate is ok but still not that impressive and today most schools are very cheesy and do not even teach people proper fighting and usually better off being a good street fighter|||be better than them...


you shouldnt fight them at all and if they did both i doubt they would pick the fight unless you really did wrong by them.|||Tell them I%26#039;m your uncle. After they%26#039;re done dropping the deuce in their pants they%26#039;ll waddle away like they%26#039;ve just seen a ghost.|||don%26#039;t fight them, both groups should be against starting a fight, so if they are trying to get you in a fight they know neither|||a 2 hour crash course on boxing will solve your karate/aikido problems =]|||Very simple learn to fight,|||Fight them with Karaoke |||Very easy answer...TAKE THEM TO THE DIRT! Be careful with akido fighters, they are versed in grappling, but not nearly as versed as BJJ or Judo. If I were in a MMA fight with someone with a karate background I would leg kick them, throw one punch to close the distance, then wrap them up around the waist, take them down and achieve the mount. That%26#039;s what I would do.